Thank you for the answer, Japh!
Legally I know I have every right to do so, but I just want to know what’s Envato’s stance on this ?
Hey Kris, I imagine we’d have to take these on a case by case basis. It would really depend on the specific scenario whether we believed the agreement had been breached.
As far as the GPL goes you may legally have every right to do so, but as far as the exclusivity agreement goes, they’re not the same.
I got that the 100% GPL License & Exclusivity aren’t tied together already yesterday. Now the hypothetical part… If I were to release a GPL WordPress Theme from this account and started a company with my good friend. Now my friend wants to use the theme I am selling here for a client. He/She buys the theme and is also now offering this theme for sale on our company’s website. A simple question – would this break the GPL & Exclusivty Terms or not and if it breaks them, then please can you tell me how ?
It would possibly depend on a variety of things, such as who owns what, and who has a controlling influence where, etc. Really you’d need to seek legal advice about this, it’s not something we can categorically answer about a fictional scenario.
isn’t the rule to soft reject/remove items from marketplace till they get pass the review process again?
That is usually the case, yes, though we also verify the issues before we disable items.
It’s obvious that the same rules don’t apply to everyone, there are way too many things that are not ok in their themes, timthumb, some of them with old design that got accepted instantly, they had their own bar promoting their themes, now there’s no demo link.
...You promote a stranger instead of using your own loyal authors to do this, this is lack of respect to all of the authors here, especially the elites and the old ones.
Please read Collis’ original post on this thread, which addresses everything you’ve mentioned here.
Thanks for clearing things up. The only thing I do not understand is the quality of the products. My recent theme was soft rejected because of the timthimb use and I spent one more day to change the way to work with the images. The woothemes themes have timthumb http://demo2.woothemes.com/pixelpress/wp-content/themes/pixelpress/functions/thumb.php Where is the truth? You claim they pass the same review process as we do, then why our themes are rejected?
As Collis said in his post:
Aside from the release timing, yes they did [go through the usual review process]. But from what I understand we didn’t do a super job of it!
...In terms of the other pieces of the review process, from what I understand we seem to have missed some things that we catch in review normally. There was a normal process of submission, soft rejections and so on. I’ve chatted with Jarel our Review Manager who is investigating what went wrong and starting a re-review of the WooThemes items.
So we are aware that some things slipped through, and we are re-reviewing the themes now.
For GravityForms you tell users they can use the Personal license on 1 site, the Business license on 3 sites, and the Developer License on unlimited sites. That’s the FIRST thing in list of benefits for each license at http://www.gravityforms.com/purchase-gravity-forms/
I’m not trying to speak for Carl or Gravity Forms here, I’m sure he’ll reply in time, but to me it appears that the purchase page for Gravity Forms is actually referring to the Support License (mentioned in section 7 of their Ts & Cs). The support license also requires annual renewal.
Firstly, I’d like to say that some of the issues raised in this thread need answers from higher up than me, so I cannot comment on them now. However, I have brought them to the attention of others, and will be chasing up a reply for you in the morning.
In the meantime…
Long Days ago I had found someone selling JA Wall the joomlart most famous template and after reporting it was removed from themeforest. Is there really the woothemes company? Or someone else just behind on that account? I am confused about that.
The WooThemes account is the official account of the actual WooThemes company, yes.
Can anyone tell me why they have a black paw badge with only 2 sales?
WooThemes used to have a number of non-WordPress themes for sale on ThemeForest, which have since been removed.
But according to the themeforest rules you cannot add same items again once you remove them, and I’m sure they had same items before because they dont have any other old items.
These are not the same items. The items they had before were not WordPress themes.
Wait a minute, did you guys just push all of the Woo themes out in one go and then reorder them with other items slightly for their category.. I just checked the ecommerce category and woo is scattered everywhere which wasn’t like before.. hmm
The WooThemes themes were released all in one go, so to prevent them taking over the “new items” listing, or filling a whole page in the theme listing, we spaced them out. It wouldn’t have been fair to existing authors to have all WordPress themes by date filling the first page from WooThemes.
yes. this is plausible since there is a big button on their theme to “purchase now” and that redirects you to their website where you can off course purchase the theme. this while the themeforest sits at the top. Maybe buyers think they are on some sort of promotion from themeforest or who knows. I found this behaivour ridiculos and against envato rules that the authors sign when create an account here
We’re looking into this now. It appears that you’re correct and this shouldn’t have been let through, but has mistakenly done so. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.
Seriously? So Canvas, which is a 3 years old theme(february 2010) passed all the checks and is up to the quality here on TF? So the quality requirements are just for some authors, not for all of them.
Are you familiar with WooThemes at all? The Canvas theme you download today when you make a purchase is not 100% the same code you would have downloaded back in February 2010. WooThemes continually update their themes and their theme framework.
You need quite a bit of time to upload 30 Themes and considering at least a few of them would get soft rejected (from my experiences and experiences of other authors), I find that extremely hard to believe, so I will stick to FinalDestiny thoughts here. Or perhaps all 30 themes were perfect right away
Actually, as WooThemes were waiting until the 100% GPL option was created, we held their themes (once the normal review process was completed) until the option was live.
you can’t have regular license and gpl at the same time. there are two contradictory license. You need to remove the regular license part from the item purchase page and add a new type of license in the license description page. here: http://themeforest.net/licenses
As I mentioned earlier, the Regular License applies to all items. Section 13(b) of the Regular License then says that if the author has chosen to license the item as 100% GPL, then you can disregard the rest of the Regular License, and the GPL applies.
@Japh: so they somehow put all 30 themes in the que at once or how did they end up on Themeforest almost simultaneously, just with scattered release dates?
Correct. All 30 themes were added to the queue at once, the release dates were then scattered manually to prevent there being a WooThemes-only page.